I was seated at Abi Abdillah’s عليه السلام place when Umm Khalid – whose hand had been cut by Yusuf [b. Umar] – came seeking permission to see him. Abu Abdillah عليه السلام said [to me]: Would you like to hear her speech? I said: Yes, may I be made your ransom. He said: Then draw near, and he made me sit upon the rug [which he was seated on]. She entered and spoke and I found her to be a very eloquent woman. She asked him about so and so [Abu Bakr and Umar], so he said to her: Deem them to be your leaders, she said: Do you allow me to say to my Lord when I meet him that you ordered me to take them as my authorities? He said: Yes. She said: [I ask this] because this one who is with you on the rug [i.e. Abu Basir] orders me to disassociate from them while Kathir al-Nawwa orders me to take them as authorities, so which one is more beloved to you? He [the Imam] said: This one [i.e. Abu Basir] and his companions are by Allah more beloved to me than Kathir al-Nawwa and his fellows. This one [i.e. Abu Basir] argues by saying: “whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers” (5:44), “and whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the wrongdoers” (5:45), “and whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient” (5:47). So when she had departed he said: I feared that she will go and inform Kathir [if I would have answered her to disassociate from the two directly] who would then make this infamous about me in Kufa. O Allah I resort to you in disassociating myself from Kathir in this world and the hereafter.